2020-03-29Dialogue between Oceantanke and 11 year old Nuonuo Part 4

Part 4

谭科：但是呢，有一个事情是，比方说，我们就算穿着人的身体这件衣服，我们看到这朵花。但是脱了人的这个身体的这件衣服，我们看到这朵花，你说会不会有些变化？

Oceantanke: But, one thing is, when we wearthe piece of clothes of our physical body, we can see this flower, but when wetake off the piece of clothes of our physical body, will the flower we see bethe same? What do you think?

诺诺：如果你穿的是雨衣，而且前面有一个东西把你的眼睛遮起来的话，那会有变化。

Nuonuo: If the clothes you wear is a raincoat,and there is something that covers your eyes, then it won’t be the same.

谭科：对了，就是这样子。我举个例子，因为我们穿着这个人的衣服，我们就要用人的眼睛来看，人的耳朵来听，是不是这样子？

Oceantanke: Yes, that’s it. For example, aswe wear the clothes of physical body, we need to use our eyes to see and earsto listen, right?

诺诺：嗯。

Nuonuo: Hmm.

谭科：那如果这个人的眼睛很大，那我们看出来的是不是会不一样啊？如果这个人的眼睛是近视的，我们看出来这朵花会一样吗？我们这个人的眼睛是散光的、老花的，看着这朵花是一样吗？会不一样吧？

Oceantanke: So if the person’s eyes are verybig, then what we see will not be the same, right? Similarly, if this person isnearsighted, will the flower we see be the same? If this person is astigmaticor presbyopic, will the flower we see be the same? They won’t be the same,right?

诺诺：不一样。

Nuonuo: No, they won’t be the same.

谭科：所以，反而我们离开人的肉身这个衣服的时候，反而看的可能是另一种不同的看法，同样是看这朵花。是不是这样子？

Oceantanke: So, after we leave this pieceof clothes of our physical body, when we look at this flower, we may see itdifferently, right?

诺诺：嗯。

Nuonuo: Hmm.

谭科：如果我们能理解这个的话，我们的小朋友就会对生死有一个真实的理解了。然后我们的亲人，离开了这个身体，被人们称为死亡的时候，他其实不是没有了。然后，当我们能这样理解的时候，我们内心就不会悲伤了。反而我们内心会有一种祝福，祝福他就算离开肉身，他也能够越来越有智慧来了解这个宇宙人生。未来，如果他再有了身体这件衣服，那他也能够有智慧的、有爱的来生活。无论我们处在哪个地方，无论我们去到哪个世界，我们出现在哪个地方，我们都应该带着智慧、带着爱来体贴这个世界。那这样子世界就很和谐了，是不是这样子？

Oceantanke: If we can understand this, wewill have a real understanding of birth and death. Then when our relativesleave the physical body, what most people call death, actually they still existbut not that they have disappeared since then. When we can understand likethis, we will not feel sad anymore. Instead, we will bless them and wish theycan look at the life and the universe with more wisdom after leaving thephysical body. Besides, if they put on another piece of clothes of the physicalbody, we wish they can live with more love and wisdom. Wherever we are,wherever we go, we should bring love and wisdom with us so that the world willbe in harmony, right?

诺诺：嗯。

Nuonuo: Hmm.