【美国电台节目】如何评价老佛爷KarlLargerfeld

LUSE: So the whole theme of the Met Gala this yearwas about Karl Lagerfeld - an interesting selection for the theme. But beforewe get into, you know, a lot of the breathtaking design, as well as thenot-so-cute elements of Karl's legacy, first, what do you think of him?

CARLOS: I mean, when I was looking at the archivalimagery of him from, like, those early '90s fashion shoots that he was doingfor American Vogue, he really created such an aesthetic. 

And he created hisown world. I think that's what a lot of fashion people do. They create theirown worlds. They live in it, and that's how they kind of survive.

LUSE: Is there any style that people might be wearing nowthat we can credit to Karl Lagerfeld?

CARLOS: We have to give it up to the pearls. Men arewearing pearls with a vengeance now (laughter). And I think that that is such asignature Karl move.

LUSE: You know, we've been gesturing at this thus farin our conversation, but to really jump into it, Karl Lagerfeld is also afigure very worthy of critique.

CARLOS: Yeah.

LUSE: He had some very controversial thoughts. Heshared, you know, his thoughts about fatphobia...

CARLOS: Yes.

LUSE: ...Saying that nobody wants to see curvywomen...

CARLOS: Yes.

LUSE: ...Homophobia at times, racism, he's made disparagingremarks about the #MeToo movement and also against immigrants, even, you know,in his later years - I'm talking, like, as recently as possibly 2017 - youknow, misogynistic remarks. I mean, in some ways, he was a very hyperbolicspeaker. And, like, even - I mean, I'd be lying if I said that I don't chucklefrom time to time when I read some of his remarks about disliking children andshort men.

CARLOS: You're like, same.

LUSE: there's a lot of really messed up thingsthat he said over the years. I can appreciate his craft, but I feel like youalso have to look at the uglier parts of his legacy, as well.

CARLOS: Absolutely. And I definitely remember hisfatphobia being a major point of concern at one point. And he himself battledweight. I think his opinions around fatphobia, around who should be representedon the runways - it's outdated. And so many people in the fashion industrythink like that. And I think it's unfortunately reflective of a very, very uglyside of the industry, you know?

LUSE: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I felt like there was not alot of critique of Karl. I mean, I'll say this, I watched the Vogue red carpetcoverage...

CARLOS: Right.

LUSE: ...Right? - which is, you know, livestreamed onYouTube. And so I can't say that I necessarily expected that. I wasdisappointed to see this really distinguished publication, Vogue, not want toembrace all of the legacy and...

CARLOS: Correct.

LUSE: ...To be able to kind of look at it with fresheyes. That was something that felt kind of surprising to me, is fashion andhistory are both topics that invite and require a lot of conversation -stimulating conversation. And I felt like...Having Karl Lagerfeld as the theme was agood opportunity to do that. But I just didn't see that being engaged in theonline video broadcast commentary that I saw. All of these other aspectsof Karl's life and his worldview informed how the work was produced...

CARLOS: Yes.

LUSE: ...And what the work was meant to celebrate andhighlight. And I feel like you kind of can't pull those things apart. That's myopinion.

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