A disciple put it to

- Have you attained holiness?
- Ask a normal person if he is normal and he will assure you he is. Ask a crazy person if he is normal - and he will assure you he is. If you realize you are crazy, you're not so crazy after all, are you? If you suspect you're holy, you're not so holy after all, are you? Holiness is always unselfconscious.