汤姆·希德勒斯顿 | 谈《小熊维尼》睡前故事

What is one of your favourite things about Winnie the Pooh?

你最喜欢《小熊维尼》什么？

Winnie the Pooh has a turn of phrase I think that's unique and singular to him. And he's a moment where Pooh and Piglet are separated, and Piglets says, “I looked around and you weren't leaning against the tree that you normally are leaning against.”

小熊维尼有一句口头禅，对他来说是独一无二的。有一次，维尼和小猪皮杰走散了，然后皮杰说：“我去你经常休息的树下找你，但没找到你。”

And Pooh replies, “Yes, that's exactly where I wasn't.” As if he's trying to figure out he can't remember where he was, but he remembers where he wasn't. And if by a process of elimination, eventually he'll get there. He'll find the answer very sweet.

然后维尼回道：“对，我确实没在那。”好像他在努力回想他当时在哪里，但他只记得他不在树下。如果用排除法，最终他还是会去那。你会发现他的回答很暖心。

How does narrating differ from other roles you’re working on at the moment?

给《小熊维尼》配音和你正在参演的角色有什么不同？

I love narration, because it's pure storytelling. And as a narrator, actually what you have to do is is try to serve the story, very different from acting or interpreting a character where you're trying to step into the shoes of somebody else, be they a fictional character or a real person and represent their experience.

我喜欢配音，因为那就是纯粹的讲故事。作为一个朗读者，你要做的就是为故事服务，当你试图站在别人的立场上，这和演戏，演绎一个角色有很大不一样，无论他们是虚构的角色还是真实的人并展现他们的经验。

As a storyteller, you're actually, you're sort of more detached and trying to allow the story to live in the ears of the listener. And it's different, and it's because I'm there in is in service to the story as opposed to, inside the story I think. That's what the life of an actor is.

作为一个故事讲述人，事实上你更超然，尽量让故事停留在听众的耳朵里，这是非常不同的，因为我是为故事服务的，并不存在于故事里面。这就是演员的生活。

And these Winnie the Pooh stories are incredibly sweet and warm-hearted and you know much has been written about the philosophy at the center of Winnie the Pooh and the valleys of kindness and friendship and you know appreciating the small things.

《小熊维尼》里的这些故事非常的甜蜜温暖，其中还有很多关于小熊维尼的哲学的文章，友善谷，珍视每件小事等等。

Are you more of a night owl or early bird?

你更像是一只夜猫子还是早起的鸟儿？

I try to...it's changed as I've got older. That's a perhaps a completely natural progression. When I was younger I was a real night owl. I found the evening, a very great time for thinking, because there were fewer distractions. But sometimes, if you really you can get into a thinking place where the mind actually wakes itself up.

我试着......随着年龄的增长，我的习惯已经变了，也许这是一个完全自然的过程。我年轻时真的是一个夜猫子。晚上是一个非常好的思考时间段，因为让我分心的事情比较少。但有时，如果你真的可以进入一个思考的空间，你的思维实际上会被唤醒。

But as I got older, I've become more of an early bird which I never thought I would say. So here we are ask me again in 20 years.

当我再年长一些，我变成了一只早起的鸟儿，这是我没想到的。如果有机会20年后可以再问我这个问题。

Are you a good sleeper?

你的睡眠好吗？

Am I a good sleeper? I think I probably am. Once the lights are out, I think that's because I sort of try to keep myself occupied during the day. So when eventually it comes time to turn in and switch off, I'm always relieved that it's the time it is.

我的睡眠？我想应该还可以。熄灯之后，我会一直想着在白天自己忙碌的时刻。因此，到了睡觉关灯的时候，我总会松一口气，因为休息的时间已经到了。

I think we've all probably had periods in our lives where we don't sleep as well for whatever reason maybe. There's a lot going on or we're distracted or thinking about something, and so that the mind can sometimes turn itself over and you wish it wouldn't. But on balance I think I'm a pretty good sleeper actually. It's a work in progress.

我觉得在生活中我们可能会因为很多原因而睡得不好。比如有很多事情发生，或者我们分心或思考某件事，因此头脑有时会倒腾翻转，但你希望它能安静下来。但总的来说，我觉得自己的睡眠不错。（良好的）睡眠是需要一个过程的。

What are your first memories of Winnie the Pooh?

你对《小熊维尼》的最初印象是怎样的？

When I was a child and I don't think this is unique or singular to me. There was an audio recording of Winnie the Pooh by Alan Bennett. And as a child I had no idea who Alan Bennett was. I just we used to listen to the cassette tape on long journeys in the car and it was something we all loved it.

当我还是个孩子的时候，我就觉得这对我来说并非是第一无二的。有一个艾伦·贝内特的《小熊维尼》的录音磁带。作为一个孩子，我不知道艾伦·贝内特是谁。我只是经常在长途汽车旅行中听这个磁带，我们都很喜欢它。

And he seemed to completely understand, the kindness and the warmth at the heart of these stories, and the wit and there was there's so much wit in them. And that was translated very easily to me as a child.

他似乎很了解这些故事的核心：善良，温暖和智慧。《小熊维尼》里面有很多的智慧，但却很容易被小孩子理解到。

They're sort of funny and warm and so I have a very very fond memory of listening to those stories in long car journeys, you know. It was the only thing we could all agree on wanted to listen to. So yeah, and he did great voices too.

它们很有趣，很温暖，所以我记得我很喜欢在长途汽车旅行中听这些故事。这也是当时所有小朋友都同意收听的故事，他们说他（艾伦·贝内特）的声音很棒。

The voices for the characters were very funny. They weren't particularly a stretch from his own voice, but somehow he seemed to capture the essence of each character and then that inspired me to read the book.

这些角色的声音都非常有趣。它们与贝内特的声音没有特别大的出入，但不知为何，他似乎抓住了每个人物的本质，然后激发了我阅读这本书的兴趣。

And it was always by the bedside as a child in our home. Winnie the Pooh's been around, it's definitely a big part of my life in my childhood. I'm very grateful for that. There's a lot of wisdom in Winnie the Pooh. It's nice to revisit.

我们还是孩子的时候，总是把这本书放在床边。小熊维尼在我身边，绝对是我童年生活重要组成部分。我非常感激它。这本书里有很多智慧，现在能重温它我感到很开心。

Who is your favourite Winnie the Pooh character?

你最喜欢《小熊维尼》里的哪个角色？

Well, it’s... I do have a soft spot for Pooh himself. I think he's so honest and sweet and kind, and there's something very even about his temperament. And he don't he never panics, even when he can feel.

嗯......我非常喜欢维尼。因为他很诚实，贴心，善良，性情很平和，而且即使他感到害怕也不会表现出来。

Because he's forgetful, but he's always like if I just wait here something will happen, and I'll be able to work out what's going on. Whether he's been separated from piglet or he's expecting to see Christopher Robin. Christopher robin hasn't turned up or... And the dynamic between Pooh and piglet is so funny and sweet.

因为他很健忘，但他总说如果我在这等着，就会有事情发生，我就能搞清楚会发生什么。不管是他和小猪皮杰走散了，还是他在等着见克里斯托弗·罗宾。克里斯托弗·罗宾没来还是...... 而维尼和皮杰之间的互动非常有趣和甜蜜。

Do you have any other favourite Winnie the Pooh character?

《小熊维尼》里你还有没有其他喜欢的角色？

I love Eeyore too. All moods and characters are contained in Winnie the Pooh. We all know Tigger’s and we all know Rabbit’s and we all know Eeyore’s. But Eeyore's got a real wisdom behind his kind of stillness and his sort of lower temperament. There's a wisdom in there somewhere that we can learn from.

我也很喜欢屹耳。所有的情绪和角色都在《小熊维尼》这本书中。我们都很熟悉跳跳虎，瑞比，但屹耳平静低调的气质背后有一种真正的智慧，这种智慧是我们需要学习的。

Do you have a favourite part in the sleep story you can share with us?

能和我们分享一下这个睡前故事中你最喜欢的一段吗？

There is one line which I really loved. And it's incredibly touching towards the end of the story, who is waiting with Eeyore for Christopher Robin and he's worried, who's worried that Christopher Robin's not going to turn up.

有一段我确实很喜欢，故事的结尾非常的感人。维尼和屹耳一起等克里斯托弗·罗宾，但是维尼很担心罗宾不会出现。

And it's feeling a bit sad, but he's being quiet about it, but he's sitting with Eeyore. And they spend the rest of the day together until the sun's set behind the trees.

虽然有点伤感，但是他很平静，一直和屹耳坐在一起。他们坐在树下直到太阳落山，一起度过了剩余的一天。

And Eeyore gets up to go and says sorry he didn't make it. Then Eeyore turned and looked back at Pooh. “Don't worry,” he said, “that boy is a better friend to you than my tail is to me. You can't get rid of him so easily.” “Thank you, Eeyore,” said Pooh, “you're quite right.”

后来屹耳站起来说抱歉，克里斯托弗·罗宾没能来，然后他转身看着维尼。“别担心，”屹耳说，“这个朋友比我自己的尾巴还要好，你不可能这么容易就甩开他。”“谢谢你，屹耳！”维尼说，“你说的很对！”

And it's just so...you know, that Eeyore is able to... He’s not often the most forthcoming, but he's able to be incredibly reassuring to Winnie the Pooh in that moment. It's really lovely and sweet.

就是这样......屹耳能......他并不是最坦诚的，但他能在那一刻安慰小熊维尼，让人感到很吃惊。所以这一幕有爱又甜蜜。

The Winnie the Pooh’s sleep stories are available right now on Calm.

《小熊维尼》睡前故事在Calm软件上已经可以收听啦。

Notes:

Have a soft spot for sth

to feel that you like someone very much 钟情于（某人），十分喜爱（某人）

She'd always had a soft spot for her younger nephew.

她一直很喜欢她的小侄子。