珍妮·古道尔博士 | 2021年《时代周刊》访谈

Before, it was like nature spread across the world. Because it sort of did back in the 60s. And then after realizing what was going on, it was never quite the same. Because I've got to try and save it, I've got to try and save it.

以前，黑猩猩遍布于世界的大自然里，有点像回到了60年代。然后在意识到发生了什么之后，情况就完全不一样了。因为我必须尝试拯救它，我必须尝试拯救它。

Nature is treated as though it's a commodity. And we brought climate change on ourselves, loss of biodiversity on ourselves, and the pandemic on ourselves. It's all our fault from our disrespect of nature and animals.

大自然被当成一种商品。我们给自己换来的是气候变暖，生物多样性减少，流性疾病的爆发。这都是我们不尊重自然和动物的错。

When I finally got to Cambridge and they told me you can't talk about chimps having personalities, minds or emotions because those are unique to us, I knew that was rubbish. I didn't deliberately plan it, but it's just who I am, not to confront the professors, not to say oh you're wrong, but just to quietly go on doing what I knew was right.

后来我终于来到剑桥大学，但是他们告诉我不能谈论黑猩猩的脾性，思想或者情感，因为这些是人类独有的，但我知道他们在胡说。我并不是有意为之，因为这就是我，不会在面对教授时说你错了，我只会安静地做我认为正确的事情。

And it's the same if I'm trying to change somebody who disagrees, not to be holier than thou and attack and say you're doing wrong and you've got to do right, but rather you've got to reach the heart, and I do that through story telling.

同样地，如果我试图改变一个持有不同意见的人，我不是比你更圣洁地攻击你，或者说你做错了，你必须这样做才对，而是通过触及你的内心，而我触及别人内心的方式就是通过讲故事。

Kids are absolutely fascinated by the time I spent with chimps, so that's the nice doorway in. Because once they know the problems and they're empowered to take action. They're so enthusiastic.

孩子们一定对我和黑猩猩待在一起的那段时间特别着迷，所以这也是一个不错的切入点。因为一旦他们知道了这些问题，他们就有权采取行动，而且他们非常热情。

And I mean, it's their world and they now know enough starting quite young. They know that we're destroying the world now, because it's everywhere. You can't miss it.

我的意思是，这是他们的世界，孩子们很早就知道了。他们知道我们正在摧毁这个世界，因为这种破坏无处不在，你无法避免。

First, we've got to alleviate crippling poverty, because when you're poor, you can't protect the environment, if it's your only way of survival. But once you're not in the category, then we can all make ethical choices in what we buy.

首先，我们要减轻严重的贫困问题，因为当你贫穷时，你唯一的生存方式就是依赖环境，你无法去保护它。但是当你摆脱贫困之后，那么我们可以对自己购买的商品做出合乎道德的选择。

The positive is there's so much awareness and talk. There's so much more pressure from the public. I'm about to leave the world and leave it behind me with all the mess whereas young people have to grow up into it. That's why they need ever bit of help they can.

积极的一面是，大家意识愈浓，对话愈多，而且还有来自公众的压力。我即将离开这个世界，得把这个未完成的任务交给后面正在成长的年轻人。这也是为什么他们需要帮助的原因。

And if, you know, if they succumb to the doom and gloom, which many have, then they lose hope. If you lose hope, that's the end.

如果他们一旦屈服许多人都经历过的厄运与黑暗，那么他们就会失去希望。如果失去希望，一切就结束了。

Because if you don't hope that there's a way out; If you don't hope that your actions can make a difference, then you sink into apathy and do nothing. So hope is absolutely crucial if we're to get through this.

因为如果不抱有希望就会有出路；不抱有希望你的行动就会起作用的话，那么你就会陷入冷漠，什么都不会去做。所以，要度过难关，希望绝对是至关重要的。

Note:

Biodiversity

the number and types of plants and animals that exist in a particular area or in the world generally, or the problem of protecting this 生物多样性

a new National Biological Survey to protect species habitat and biodiversity

旨在保护物种栖息地和生物多样性的一项新的全国生态普查

Succumb to

to lose the determination to oppose something; to accept defeat 屈从，屈服；放弃抵抗；承认失败

I'm afraid I succumbed to temptation and had a piece of cheesecake.

我还是没顶住诱惑，吃了一块奶酪蛋糕。